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Post by Sam » Wed May 20, 2020 7:56 pm

Which do you prefer, the tieback model or the elastic over the year model

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Post by CMur12 » Wed May 20, 2020 11:32 pm

Hi Sam. I was fortunate to obtain a face mask. Mine has the elastic loops over the ears, which works well for me. It doesn't pull on the ears or cause any discomfort there, and it holds the mask in position. I haven't tried the kind with ties, but it would clearly require more effort to put it on.

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Post by drmoss_ca » Thu May 21, 2020 5:26 am

When wearing one all day, I think you'll find the tied version more comfortable, and you soon figure out how to drop the top tie down the back of your neck so the mask can fold under your chin when you need to eat or drink. Elastic on the ears gets painful after a while if even a little too tight.
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Re: Face masks

Post by fallingwickets » Thu May 21, 2020 7:20 am

elastic because i dont have the wherewithal to tie the knots!!! LOL
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Post by churchilllafemme » Thu May 21, 2020 10:19 am

drmoss_ca wrote:
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When wearing one all day, I think you'll find the tied version more comfortable, and you soon figure out how to drop the top tie down the back of your neck so the mask can fold under your chin when you need to eat or drink. Elastic on the ears gets painful after a while if even a little too tight.
This was my experience also, when in medical training/practice at the hospital. However, for short-term wear, the ear elastic type are more convenient.
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Post by kronos9 » Fri May 22, 2020 8:54 am

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I've been using a tie-on version made from an old t-shirt, pattern from the CDC website. Yesterday I bought a few ear-loop versions, with half the cost going to a local food bank.
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Post by brothers » Fri May 22, 2020 10:07 am

I think the mask fetish for the everyday lay person will die out pretty soon. Down here in the boonies we've pretty well gravitated back to no mask.
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Post by Sam » Fri May 22, 2020 11:57 am

We have to have one for court and other buildings

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Post by drmoss_ca » Fri May 22, 2020 12:30 pm

Glad to hear it, Gary, as long as it's a decision based on risk of infection, rather than, well, anything else at all. There have been zero cases of diagnosed Covid-19 disease in the county where I live, but we have all been doing the social-distance-dance. Have there actually been zero cases? That's another matter, as so many are asymptomatic. The province next door, New Brunswick, has had no new cases for two weeks, and then yesterday a new case springs up from 'nowhere'. That kind of nowhere is wherever the virus can survive for two weeks without being recognised as causing disease. Probably not inanimate objects (and, please god, not other hosts like Canadian bats), so who else shall we look at other than asymptomatic people? Evidently the virus in that new case was transmitted to him by someone else who was undiagnosed because he, in turn, had no symptoms. When we discuss the 'second wave' we assume without examination that the virus is still somewhere in our environment, just waiting for someone to be susceptible. And rightly so: take measles, a disease we oh-so-nearly eradicated like smallpox and rinderpest. But thanks to that a**hole Wakefield, people started refusing the vaccine and guess what? People now die of measles. The same happened with polio until the islamic nutjobs in northern Nigeria decided vaccination was a plot against them. Even mumps and diphtheria have made a comeback just as soon as we fail to immunise. Bugs survive, and wait, wait until their time comes again.

Thanks to loons like Wakefield, and also the internet, there will be people who refuse a Covid-19 vaccine when one is available. It might be conspiracy theories, it might be politics, but it won't be cold, stochastic, reason that guides that decision. And Covid-19 will become an ongoing pleasure in our lives as a result. The scary thing that is currently unresolved about this virus is that people seem to be vulnerable to new infections after surviving the first, which means that an immunisation might not give permanent or long-lasting protection. Now imagine that world. Rather like the one our forebears lived in, briefly, before almost anything that came along would kill them.

I don't mean to jump on you, Gary, for using the word 'fetish', but I do want to make clear to anyone who might read this that a mask is only a fetish if it serves NO purpose. We know a mask is unlikely to save us from acquiring the virus, but we know just as well that if we have the virus it will help stop us from infecting others. It is an unintuitive act to wear a mask that is not for our benefit, but for the benefit of others. Anyone who has worked in an operating room is comfortable with the concept, but the general public sees masks as personal protection, not something for protecting someone else. Maybe it helps to say to ourselves that if we all wear masks, no one gets the disease? It's very nearly true, and the only justification for making the effort.

We all want the economy to restart. Do it too soon, and suffer more waves of infection with more shutdowns and more economic loss is one path. Wait too long and suffer needless economic loss is the other extreme. In between those two paths, there are two right answers; one which minimises loss of life, and one which minimises economic losses. Which of those you should choose is way beyond my paygrade. But that's what you are deciding, and you all ought to understand exactly what you are deciding, when you choose to wear a mask or not, go out or not, visit someone or not, invade your state capitol with guns or not, and so on and so forth. Now go and be sensible!
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Post by brothers » Fri May 22, 2020 1:40 pm

No offense taken.😎 It's not just me of course. Our human nature is obviously infinitely complex. Somewhere on the scale are those who abhor change and authority in most forms. Somewhere in the other direction are those who covet authority however they gain it. "wear your mask!" vs. "H*ll No!" There are alternative contexts we should consider, but to every thesis there is an anti-thesis. To some, it appears to be a case of an extreme and unlawful abuse of petty local authority vs the exercise of basic freedom. To others it is explained as a friendly attempt to force the faceless masses to avoid illness and death. which we all know is unavoidable.
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Post by John Rose » Fri May 22, 2020 5:21 pm

I made this one a few weeks ago, and more recently added the 'stache.
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The elastic ear loops were from thin bungee cords salvaged from fiberglass dome tent poles.
What you can't see is the narrow (4 mm) non-elastic black ribbon sewn into loops over the elastic ear loops.
This takes a lot of the tension off the back of the ears, and you can pull it down when out in the open or for eating, etc.
The wire over the nose is a wide plastic double-wire twisty salvaged from a cookie bag. Some re-closable coffee bags have them too. The plastic coating should keep it from rusting in the wash.
The moustache was cut from a black fabric iron-on patch. And then ironed on.

Version 2 shall have some feature that prevents your breath from fogging up glasses. Maybe a thin strip of memory foam across the inside top edge. Instead of wire I'll use a 1/2" wide strip of sheet aluminum cut from scraps of flashing leftover from the roof reno.
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...That kind of nowhere is wherever the virus can survive for two weeks without being recognised as causing disease. Probably not inanimate objects (and, please god, not other hosts like Canadian bats)...
They would have to survive the White-nose Syndrome first.
The poor things.
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Post by John Rose » Fri May 22, 2020 5:29 pm

I considered a Death's Head Moth design, but thought better of it.

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Besides, it would've involved some detailed embroidery.
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Post by John Rose » Fri May 22, 2020 5:35 pm

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Post by Rufus » Sun May 24, 2020 8:35 am

brothers wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 1:40 pm
No offense taken.😎 It's not just me of course. Our human nature is obviously infinitely complex. Somewhere on the scale are those who abhor change and authority in most forms. Somewhere in the other direction are those who covet authority however they gain it. "wear your mask!" vs. "H*ll No!" There are alternative contexts we should consider, but to every thesis there is an anti-thesis. To some, it appears to be a case of an extreme and unlawful abuse of petty local authority vs the exercise of basic freedom. To others it is explained as a friendly attempt to force the faceless masses to avoid illness and death. which we all know is unavoidable.
Gary, I think Dr Chris has put it very well and politely; I agree with him unreservedly. I would add that there are certain key elements that seem to be sadly lacking by those most vociferously espousing their rights and freedoms: their obligations and responsibilities, which, whether they like it or not, go hand-in-hand with their rights and freedoms.
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Post by TRBeck » Sun May 24, 2020 8:58 am

You know, since death is unavoidable, I've also started ignoring lane lines, stop signs, thunder claps, tornado sirens, and expiration dates on meat. And I absolutely refuse to wear a seat belt, wash my hands, or look before crossing streets. I intentionally sneeze and cough and spit on others, because hey, we're all gonna die anyway! It's exhilarating!


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Post by drmoss_ca » Sun May 24, 2020 12:20 pm

TRBeck wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 8:58 am
FREEDOM!
Somehow, you just reminded me of what happened to Mel Gibson in the final scenes of Braveheart! Image
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Post by brothers » Sat May 30, 2020 8:50 pm

Tim, you've made an excellent point by the example --- one does what one chooses, including making bad decisions such as those you've listed. The point you've highlighted is that we, the individual, are the decision-makers, many times to our own detriment, including the decision to disobey the law. Obviously we do not have, nor do others have, the right to dictate (other than by law or regulation) what others must do. There's no law where I live that requires me to wear a face mask or take other actions such as quitting a perfectly good job and staying inside my house for any certain period of time. That's real freedom worth fighting for. Living in imagined concern for what others might demand me to choose to do, fear, think or judge is less than optimal.
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Post by Rufus » Sun May 31, 2020 5:17 am

brothers wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 8:50 pm
Tim, you've made an excellent point by the example --- one does what one chooses, including making bad decisions such as those you've listed. The point you've highlighted is that we, the individual, are the decision-makers, many times to our own detriment, including the decision to disobey the law. Obviously we do not have, nor do others have, the right to dictate (other than by law or regulation) what others must do. There's no law where I live that requires me to wear a face mask or take other actions such as quitting a perfectly good job and staying inside my house for any certain period of time. That's real freedom worth fighting for. Living in imagined concern for what others might demand me to choose to do, fear, think or judge is less than optimal.
What about to the detriment of others? Along with rights and freedoms come responsibilities and obligations; the one thing “dictating” the latter is civil society.
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Post by TRBeck » Sun May 31, 2020 12:49 pm

Bryan, I'm with you, but sticking it to the evil big government seems preferable to concern for others in me-first America. Covid-19 is real, masks actually help protect those around you, and not wearing one is no great demonstration of liberty but rather a perfect embodiment of me-first ideology.
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Post by brothers » Sun May 31, 2020 3:11 pm

TRBeck wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 12:49 pm
Bryan, I'm with you, but sticking it to the evil big government seems preferable to concern for others in me-first America. Covid-19 is real, masks actually help protect those around you, and not wearing one is no great demonstration of liberty but rather a perfect embodiment of me-first ideology.
Why should we not meet, not always as dyspeptics, to tell our bad dreams, but sometimes as eupeptics, to congratulate each other on the ever-glorious morning? - Henry David Thoreau
How many of the unfortunate deceased COVID-19 victims worldwide actually wore masks? We have been told that we, the over-65 individuals, are supposed to be wearing masks to keep ourselves from getting sick.
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