Shave cream Jars/Tubs

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I just aquired my first two tubs of shave cream. Taylor's Almond and Charles Tyrwhitt Lemon Ceder. I think as my tubes of shave cream are depleted, I will replace them with tubs. They are just too handy. Trumpers are a little expensive compared to Taylors (QED), but I think they will last long enough to make it worth the initial investment.
Taylor's Almond BTW seems to be just as good as ......Gulp......Trumpers!!
Forgive me please shave Gods!! And for the price of a Tube of Trumpers I can get more than twice as much Taylors in a tub.
The CT Lemon ceder is ok as far as scent, but it has all the quality lather properties I have come to expect. I will have to try CT's other scents.
Ripping good stuff Ol' Chaps :wink:
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Trumper tubs are pretty big, so it's not as expensive as most people think in price per ounce.
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Laney-

I'm surprised these are your first tubs-- had been using only tubes previously, or soaps? Tubs are the only medium I use (other than for Proraso).

Now that you have offended the shave gods, they have placed a pox on you and you have to forfeit your GFT Violet to me to assuage their anger...

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Scott,
Until only a month or two ago, I had not even used creams. I am a soaper from way back. For me, that WAS traditional shaving.

p.s. I would rather offend the Shave Gods than the Trumper God. :wink:
Nice try though, your heart...er.....face was in the right place :D
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Laney, I don't think CT did any other scents in their shaving cream, and I suspect that the lemon cedar might now be gone for good. The scent does grow on you, and the shave it provides is excellent!

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Well now that's a bummer!!! :?
They certainly had a great recipe!!
Ah the good die young. :cry:
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Laney, Well, that was my big point a few years back on the old Wetshavers board. Back then almost everone used ( or wanted to use ) Trumpers. Due to the early Charles Robert's influence, that was deemed practically the only really top stuff ( well, Harris's and Coate's were also okay ). I kept insisting that Taylors was just about as good, at half the price. Eventually, more and more members came around to my point of view. This, of course, was the 'old version' Taylor cream in pots. Personally, I think that Coate's, Trumpers, and Harris's is very slightly 'better', quality wise, then Taylors, but the difference is slight, and considering the price differential, the Taylor creams remain, IMO, the greatest buy in really top shelf shave creams. I use mainly Coate's creams today, but, I still have my two pots of the old Taylors ( Rose and Almond ) that I dip into now and then. They're very good products. Regarding the Tyrwhitte stuff, it struck me as being a Taylor cream in everything but name.
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Gordon,
I would not take issue with you lightly, but I have to do so on this. Charles Tyrwhitt cream is not made to the same recipe as Taylor cream, or I shall eat my hat (flat tweed cap, most of the year, Tilley T5 in summer, tweed porkpie occasionally - yum!) CT cream is thinner and has a whipped appearance that reveals it to be it less dense than Taylor's creams. It also has a lumpy quality like that of porridge that differentiates it from the smooth but dense appearance of Taylor's cream. One uses a bit more CT cream than Taylor's as a result of the whipping process before it is poured into tubs, but I do agree that the lather one ends up with is just the same as with any other Creighton product. Just to use a common shavegeek apocalyptic scenario, if I had to face a future with only one or the other of these creams I should be entirely content to cope with either one in the long term. Perhaps that's what you meant.

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Chris ( chuckle ), Well, you'd better get out that summer Tilley (?), and the bottle of HP, cause what you shared just made me even more convinced. You see, the Tyrwitte creams that I've seen, have been very dense, and substantial, and the pots about 3/4 full, like most of the potted Taylors that I've had. BUT, we all know very well how inconsistant Taylors can be with their shave creams, non? So, the Tyrwitte creams were bound to vary a lot too. Sounding more like Taylors, all the time ( chuckle again ).

Actually, we, of course, know that Creightons compounds these creams, but, honestly, it wouldn't at all surprise me if Taylors actually 'created' this cream for Tyrwittes; you know, formulated the scent for them and such, and that Taylor's formula and process was used in the manufacture. Afterall, Taylors would be one of the obvious firms to go to for a request for a special own branded spiffy shave cream.
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I just don't see it Gordon - all you say is reasonable, and for certain a Jermyn Street shirtmaker isn't going to come up with a shaving cream formula on the kitchen table. But I have never seen a pot of Taylor's cream that resembles the consistency of Tyrwhitt's.

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Your turn Gordon :lol:
I like em both.
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Sorry.....SCAD Kicked in for a second there.
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Post by bernards66 »

Chris, Yes! More pots! That's clearly what we must do! Seriously, though, I've opened several pots of the CT stuff, and they were all very dense creams, a dead ringer for most of the old version potted Taylors that I've used. The scent always reminded my a good deal of the Taylor's proprietary scents, as well. Very much the same 'style' I thought.
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Gordon, Chris - I just got 3 pots of the Charles Tyrwhitt Lemon and Cedar (still at the $7 USD sale price). I have 3 pots of Taylor of Old Bond Street (Rose, Lavender, Avocado). Each of the CT pots is about 3/4 full. The cream is significantly less dense, which I can tell just by scooping a bit out with my finger. It feels more silky and airy, and does require more cream to generate the same amount of lather. (I did lather one after the other.) The Taylor cream on the other hand looks and feels more dense, and the pots were all full with very little little air. Perhaps the CT used to be more dense but now has a more whipped formula?

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Last year Taylor's began to "over fill" their containers in response to complaints about the 3/4-full tubs. My understanding is that they fill them, warehouse them for a few weeks to let the product "settle", then top them off again before sending them out.

Taylor's cream density is notoriously all over the map.

Based on the above, I would say you cannot really go by tub fullness or cream density to make a valid comparison.

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Troy, I knew someone would mention the pot fullness. I had also read that Taylor now allows the cream to settle 1 week after mixing, then 1 week after poured in the pot. Fullness wasn't really part of the debate. I just noted this because that part fit's with Gordon's observations about CT.

But regardless of Taylor's density, it is plain to me that CT is a very light cream. Give it a little poke--you'll see. It's not even close. I'll take Taylor of Old Bond Street out of the equation and say that CT has a lighter and more whipped feel than also Trumper, D.R. Harris, C&E, etc., etc. and even the notoriously light and "whipped" Truefitt & Hill Ultimate Comfort.

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yourmando wrote:But regardless of Taylor's density, it is plain to me that CT is a very light cream. Give it a little poke--you'll see. It's not even close. I'll take Taylor of Old Bond Street out of the equation and say that CT has a lighter and more whipped feel than also Trumper, D.R. Harris, C&E, etc., etc. and even the notoriously light and "whipped" Truefitt & Hill Ultimate Comfort.
It's not even close to what? Taylor's? The density you're describing sounds exactly like my old formulation Taylor's Avocado cream (in the tub). On the other hand, I've had some Taylor's Shaving Shop cream that was even more dense than Castle Forbes' creams, and I've had a tube of Taylor's Lavender that was "runny" and just poured out of the tube without even squeezing. It's all over the map, and certainly the texture you're describing falls within the range of possibilities for Taylor's creams.

Why not compare the lists of ingredients instead? We've seen other examples of companies doing relabelled products - usually the list of ingredients is the same and in the same order, with the exception of the fragrance which can be bumped up or down the order since the relabelled product is usually scented differently and this can also result in a change in the amount of fragrance added.

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Troy, I am aware of the density variation of the pre-reformulation Taylor creams. I agree that comparison to the Taylor is tough, but that is what was under debate. Really, only the density of the CT was under question, and I just wanted to validate Chris M's observation that this is indeed a very light cream with the consistency of runny porridge. It's not even close to as dense as any of the above mentioned creams, except for some quality anomalies as you mention.

I'm not sure listing the ingredients will be of much help (as much as I love to do so), as base ingredients are usually the same in these top end creams. They just vary in ratios, preparation techniques, fragrance and perhaps have one or 2 special ingredients or oils. The CT has the same base ingredients, but I did notice Aloe high on the list (right after the usual cream soap and glycerin ingredients).

I had a lovely shave with it this morning. Cheers.

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Post by Laney1566 »

Regardless of how long they let the tubs settle.......I think 5.3oz is a constant. I'm not at home to look at it but I think that is the right weight. Are you saying that they are going by tub volume and not actual weight?
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Laney1566 wrote:Regardless of how long they let the tubs settle.......I think 5.3oz is a constant. I'm not at home to look at it but I think that is the right weight. Are you saying that they are going by tub volume and not actual weight?
That's correct. They are putting 160 grams in their 150-gram tubs to compensate for settling.

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Post by bernards66 »

Armando, You seem to be overlooking the fact that all the pots of CT creams that I've seen ( maybe half a dozen ) a while back, were all very dense, not at all like what you're describing` Apparently, like Taylors, they are "all over the map" in that department.
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