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Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:21 pm
by Squire
Nice looking brush Stan, definitely not run of the mill.

Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:49 pm
by bernards66
Stan, Interesting. I'm glad that you finally chimed in on this thread. If you got the #12 I have new, then was it too 'scritchy' at first? And if so, how long did it take for that trait to wear off? My #14 EW was most definitely that way when new and it took quite a while to become entirely soft on the face. Today it is very comfy. I agree with Squire, a most unusual and interesting specimen that you have there; I don't think I've ever seen one or even seen a photo of one.
Regards,
Gordon

Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:59 am
by stanmog
Gordon, I just don't recall what the brush you now have was like when new. I have another EW size 12 (not plexi) that is also very different from the Plexi 10, more of a bulb shaped knot, a little denser packed, and not as darkly banded. It is very soft-tipped now, but again, I don't recall how it was new. It was interesting to me, that the instructions that came with the plexi EW 10 are so different from what Simpsons advises: "brush in circular movements...apply the foam to a wet face and massage gently...after use...shake off the excess water and leave to dry with the "head" facing downwards." I've only used my new brush a few times, but so far it seems to do well with both creams and soaps. Also, the scratchiness seems a little less than initially.

Regards,
Stan

Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:08 pm
by bernards66
Stan, Well, if you notice a difference already than I'd assume that the 'scritchyness' will wear off fairly rapidly. Yes, they suggest a circular lathering motion as do Trumper and Taylor's actually. When I asked Gary Young about that he said that the folks at Simpson had tried to convince them of the impropriety of lathering that way but that those barbering firms weren't having it ( chuckle ). Apparently, some other makers, like Thater I think, are also in the 'paint brush strokes' camp. I do think that at this point most of us agree that hanging a brush bristles downward is not really necessary even though most firms seem to favour it ( they also sell shave brush stands of course ).
Regards,
Gordon

Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:11 pm
by Pc4406
Just added a size 14 and a size 16 to make my Plexi trio. I haven't had a chance to use either, but am looking forward to that in the next few weeks. Both are 2 bands, unlike the size 12 that I already had. I suspect that both will be a bit stiff and scritchy at first, but will settle in due time. Buzz and Gordon, you made me a Plexi fan and I just had to share a picture.
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Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:53 pm
by Squire
Ah, good things do come in threes.

Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:13 am
by M6Classic
I have only one...albeit a #24 in HMW. However, I believe your trifecta makes you chairman of the cult...we are at your service.

Buzz

Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:04 am
by Antique Hoosier
At one time the Plisson HMW in plexi was my Holy Grail brush... I owned maybe 6 Plisson but no Plexi. Buzz's longevity with his is of course legendary.

Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:18 am
by M6Classic
Antique Hoosier wrote:At one time the Plisson HMW in plexi was my Holy Grail brush... I owned maybe 6 Plisson but no Plexi. Buzz's longevity with his is of course legendary.
Legendary...? Maniacal...? Maniacal.

Buzz

Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:07 pm
by bernards66
Patrick, VERY nice! I say though, that #12 appears to be a tad discolored....heavily colored shaving creams perhaps?...or just the photo? Anyway, a most impressive trio! Enjoy!
Regards,
Gordon

Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:19 am
by Pc4406
I have three vintage Plissons, Gordon, and all exhibit the same type of yellowed tips. I don't know if it is from age, or creams or what. However, all have incredibly soft tips and a dark band that is more brown than black. And all are a treat to use.

Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:43 pm
by bernards66
Patrick, Interesting. I have one special run Rooney Finest that is a little bit like that. I wonder if this is what Lee Sabini is trying to convey when he uses the term 'blond badger' for some of his top end specimens? Anyway, you certainly seem to have all your bases covered when it comes to high end Plissons ( chuckle ).
Regards,
Gordon

Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:42 am
by TheMonk
Well, I'm pretty new to this Forum, and although I've evidently heard of Plisson plexi before, I was unaware of the differences in knot specification, compared to other Plissons of that time with the same hair grade.

Could anyone please elaborate a bit more, perhaps further enabling my SBAD?

Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:49 am
by M6Classic
TheMonk wrote:Well, I'm pretty new to this Forum, and although I've evidently heard of Plisson plexi before, I was unaware of the differences in knot specification, compared to other Plissons of that time with the same hair grade.

Could anyone please elaborate a bit more, perhaps further enabling my SBAD?
The plexiglass handled brushes with black collars were set with an exceptional grade of High Mountain White badger. Search the forum to read the various encomia for this rare material. The white collared brushes were set with European white badger that differed from the HMW only in the color of the tips.

Rather than go on and on about the quality of these brushes, I do urge you to search the forum where they have been discussed at length.

Regarding SBAD, I suggest you direct your passion elsewhere. These brushes are not made any more and appear very rarely on the secondary market. They have become cult items beyond all reason; I should know, I have been a member of the cult for more than forty years. I know of a very large #22 or #24, I forget which, HMW plexi that recently changed hands for nearly US$2,000. Even as a collectors' item, no brush is worth that kind of money. For the price of one plexiglass Plisson, you could buy like eight or ten Simpson silvertips.

Buzz

Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:21 am
by TheMonk
M6Classic wrote:
TheMonk wrote:Well, I'm pretty new to this Forum, and although I've evidently heard of Plisson plexi before, I was unaware of the differences in knot specification, compared to other Plissons of that time with the same hair grade.

Could anyone please elaborate a bit more, perhaps further enabling my SBAD?
The plexiglass handled brushes with black collars were set with an exceptional grade of High Mountain White badger. Search the forum to read the various encomia for this rare material. The white collared brushes were set with European white badger that differed from the HMW only in the color of the tips.

Rather than go on and on about the quality of these brushes, I do urge you to search the forum where they have been discussed at length.

Regarding SBAD, I suggest you direct your passion elsewhere. These brushes are not made any more and appear very rarely on the secondary market. They have become cult items beyond all reason; I should know, I have been a member of the cult for more than forty years. I know of a very large #22 or #24, I forget which, HMW plexi that recently changed hands for nearly US$2,000. Even as a collectors' item, no brush is worth that kind of money. For the price of one plexiglass Plisson, you could buy like eight or ten Simpson silvertips.

Buzz
Thank you for your detailed explanation, Buzz, I appreciate it. I have been reading all concerning threads on this topic in the forum, only to find that there really seems to be some love for those Plisson Plexi brushes around here. It does look to be a very interesting brush, maybe someday I'll have the opportunity to try one, who knows... Certainly not for $2K. :shock:

On a side note, It has always intrigued me a bit to see how the holy grail brushes vary from shaving forum to shaving forum - despite all of them usually being very capable brushes.

Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:31 am
by M6Classic
TheMonk wrote: Thank you for your detailed explanation, Buzz, I appreciate it. I have been reading all concerning threads on this topic in the forum, only to find that there really seems to be some love for those Plisson Plexi brushes around here. It does look to be a very interesting brush, maybe someday I'll have the opportunity to try one, who knows... Certainly not for $2K. :shock:

On a side note, It has always intrigued me a bit to see how the holy grail brushes vary from shaving forum to shaving forum - despite all of them usually being very capable brushes.
I can't say just what is the consensus grail brush among Shave My Face Subscribers, there are many, many candidates. Yet there is definitely a cult of Plexi Plisson owners. In fact, the few of us who own them will twice a year retreat to the Bohemian Grove to beat drums and chant. :roll: :D

Humor aside, they are indeed very special brushes and were special even before they became unobtainable. It isn't only the hair, the exceptional mechanics of these brushes and the odd shape formed by the wet knot allow one to whip up oceans of lather from any soap or cream and apply all of the lather to your face. Also, I used a #20 HMW exclusively for my daily shave for more than thirty years.

Buzz

Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:03 pm
by TheMonk
M6Classic wrote:
TheMonk wrote: I can't say just what is the consensus grail brush among Shave My Face Subscribers, there are many, many candidates. Yet there is definitely a cult of Plexi Plisson owners. In fact, the few of us who own them will twice a year retreat to the Bohemian Grove to beat drums and chant. :roll: :D

Humor aside, they are indeed very special brushes and were special even before they became unobtainable. It isn't only the hair, the exceptional mechanics of these brushes and the odd shape formed by the wet knot allow one to whip up oceans of lather from any soap or cream and apply all of the lather to your face. Also, I used a #20 HMW exclusively for my daily shave for more than thirty years.

Buzz
You say you aren't, but you are enabling my SBAD, Sir... :twisted: Who knows, maybe I'll be able to find one of these for a "decent" price someday. I'd certainly love to give it a go, and see what it's all about. I currently have on order a Plisson horn HMW size 16, so perhaps this may provide a general idea of the characteristics of the Plisson HWM hair, even though I do understand the knot will behave differently than the Plexi.
So far I'd have to say my favorite brush is probably my Rooney Finest 3/2, although my CH3 Manchurian really has been making a case for himself lately.

Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:30 am
by Pc4406
And they are back. Plisson is now showing on their web site, Plexi Cristal handles sized from 10 to 20 in what appears to be 2 band EW. They are identified as a "new" product.

Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:06 pm
by TheMonk
Pc4406 wrote:And they are back. Plisson is now showing on their web site, Plexi Cristal handles sized from 10 to 20 in what appears to be 2 band EW. They are identified as a "new" product.
Oh my. I really don't need another Plisson Plexi, but it is very tempting. It also seems their Ivory brushes are definitely gone.

Re: An Unusual Plisson

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:52 am
by TheMonk
I finally managed to score my holiest of holy grails, an NOS vintage (sticker had to be replaced) Plisson Plexiglass HWM, Size 18:

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Here it is with a Chubby 2 2-Band Silvertip, for size and hair comparison purposes:

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