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Is Plisson still in the hunt?

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:41 am
by brothers
Posts regarding Plisson brushes seem to have pretty much disappeared. Do we have anyone who still uses them on a regular basis? I think that the same thing has happened to brushes that has happened to shaving soaps and creams --- artisan custom limited editions and one-offs have pretty much knocked the big name brands off the front pages, and of course synthetics continue their growing markets due to very cheap prices combined with very good performance and extremely low maintenance requirements.

Re: Is Plisson still in the hunt?

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:43 am
by fallingwickets
as far as i know, only buzz used one with regularity and he went dark. I think plisson is off the front pages because their pr dept went dark too...maybe buzz was their pr dept???? :D :D :D

clive

Re: Is Plisson still in the hunt?

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:01 am
by Rufust445
Could be Plisson has lost market share to online sites like Italian Barber, Maggard's, etc.

Reminds me of a statement I read nearly 20 years ago that the World Wide Web is
deflationary, as people can find the best price on something in a matter of minutes.

That said, my two most recent online purchases, a part for my car and a Baili BD176
razor have been with Amazon, of all places. Regardless of the distaste I have for
Amazon, I held my nose and pulled the trigger because they had the best deals.

Re: Is Plisson still in the hunt?

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:38 pm
by brothers
Supply and demand seems to be at play. When there were about 4 big name brands of brushes, supply was tight and certain brands and models were pretty hard to come by, which resulted in higher prices. No doubt Plisson and Simpson were very popular. It seems that nowadays the guys who buy brushes aren't hoping to find what they want from only those brands. The supply has expanded to include dozens of brands that didn't even exist just a few years ago. That, plus the fact that the knots of all kinds and descriptions are at our fingertips on the www.

Re: Is Plisson still in the hunt?

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:44 am
by M6Classic
While he has very little to add that is new, Buzz does check in from time to time! I still use my enormous Plisson HMW set in plexi every day. If you ask me, it is the finest shaving brush ever created. Unfortunately, Plisson has been unable to source that quality badger since the early eighties...yes, more than thirty years ago...and what Plisson has on offer today is fine but not in any way exceptional; certainly not worth the prices charged. If you want to experience what I am telling, stop by Colonial Drug, now in Newton, Massachusetts, where you can compare a vintage Plisson to a contemporary brush. Sorry, Cathie and PJ are not offering the vintage brushes for sale. BEWARE! What Plisson now offers as High Mountain White badger is nothing like the vintage HMW badger; it is maybe the best badger one can buy today, but it is not as long, fine, resilient and brilliant white as it was last century.

Buzz

Re: Is Plisson still in the hunt?

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:39 pm
by CMur12
Buzz! Good to see you out and about.

This thread wouldn't be complete without your input.

- Murray

Re: Is Plisson still in the hunt?

Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:59 am
by blantyre
Probably a similar thing happened to brushes as with razors. The price of used fat boys and the like has declined now that there are endless boutique brands of razor to choose from. I still enjoy my old horn handled Plisson HMW 2 band. The handle has a few cracks (horn is no t a practical material for brush handles) but the size 12 knot is outstanding, just as good a Rooney finest IMO. As far as I know Plisson is still selling brushes, maybe more synthetics than anything else?

Re: Is Plisson still in the hunt?

Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:59 pm
by M6Classic
blantyre wrote:Probably a similar thing happened to brushes as with razors. The price of used fat boys and the like has declined now that there are endless boutique brands of razor to choose from. I still enjoy my old horn handled Plisson HMW 2 band. The handle has a few cracks (horn is no t a practical material for brush handles) but the size 12 knot is outstanding, just as good a Rooney finest IMO. As far as I know Plisson is still selling brushes, maybe more synthetics than anything else?
Plisson does sell synthetics...who knows how many...but still sells many various badgers...who knows how many. The current Plissons are of very fine badger, just not as good as the vintage 1972-1980 HMW, but nothing ever has been or ever will be that good. As Murray points out, horn handles are crap; they have been on offer as a "natural" alternative to ivory that is both legal and affordable. Don't buy a horn handle. My favorite handle is of course the Plisson plexiglass, followed closely by the imitation ivory resin. Price is quite another matter. I don't think that Plissons are worth their cost, especially when compared to Twentyfirst Century Simpsons and Kents.

Buzz

Re: Is Plisson still in the hunt?

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:54 am
by fallingwickets
Buzz to the rescue, and like Murray, its nice to see you out and about----thanks.

clive

Re: Is Plisson still in the hunt?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:45 pm
by brothers
Yes, its good to see Buzz again.

Re: Is Plisson still in the hunt?

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:49 pm
by DGB452
I bought my first (and only) Plisson shaving brush a little over six years ago now, a size 14 European white set in an Ebony wood handle. It practically ended SBAD for me and I've been using it around 90% of the time to build lather for my shaves.

It has for me a great balance in the hand, face feel, and the handle-to-knot size/loft proportion is close to ideal for the way I build lather with both shaving creams and soaps.

The brush has also held-up pretty well considering I do a three pass shave every other day, it does shed a hair or two every couple of weeks to a month but other than that it is pretty solid, and I would like to think it'll easily last another six years.

So it's a big thumbs-up from me when it concerns Plisson shaving brushes.

Re: Is Plisson still in the hunt?

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:16 pm
by celar36
Is my best brush Plisson HMM 12 faux ivory vintage. Is class on its own

Today hype is about artisan brushes I am not interested