Saw this on Mantic's blog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFsRQOPjnHA
Pete
Gillette Fusion on BBC2
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Good spot Pete, thanks for linking to that. I totally agree about the ingrowns and it was the first thing that I thought of when the Gillette geek was explaining the rationale behind several blades. I find it incredible that someone in this position didn't even consider that, or maybe just chose not to. It just goes to show how uninformed some people can be. You're average Joe Bloggs has an excuse but a guy designing razor blades? give me a break!
Tony
667....neighbour of the beast.
667....neighbour of the beast.
haha and not a weeper in the bunch..........
shame they forget to interview the shavers after. i here guys complain about shaving all the time. when i ask what they use to shave with, its always the same.. some kind of a multi-blade
and they just accept it.
hey we hear it hear to with new members
lets make a tv commercial that tells how it really is
shame they forget to interview the shavers after. i here guys complain about shaving all the time. when i ask what they use to shave with, its always the same.. some kind of a multi-blade
and they just accept it.
hey we hear it hear to with new members
lets make a tv commercial that tells how it really is
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rustyblade
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then why is it that with a de i look forward to shaving everyday and when i used a cartridge i only shaved twice a week?
why was my face more raw after usinfg a cartridge?
the cartridge was very effective with a 2-3 day beard. according to the science it shouldn't have mattered.
maybe they say not to use alcohol because a lot of skin is removed with a cartridge!
i think i figured it out. the cartridge is suited for today's world. everything is about speed and hurry. therefore, cartridge shaving is all about speed. you have to shave fast so the other blades can catch the whisker before it receeds. if you shave slow the other blades won't catch the whisker.
and did you notice that the shaving cream was only used for the initial pass? the shavers didn't bother to apply more lather for other passes. not enough time. so why use lather at all? it slows you down
why was my face more raw after usinfg a cartridge?
the cartridge was very effective with a 2-3 day beard. according to the science it shouldn't have mattered.
maybe they say not to use alcohol because a lot of skin is removed with a cartridge!
i think i figured it out. the cartridge is suited for today's world. everything is about speed and hurry. therefore, cartridge shaving is all about speed. you have to shave fast so the other blades can catch the whisker before it receeds. if you shave slow the other blades won't catch the whisker.
and did you notice that the shaving cream was only used for the initial pass? the shavers didn't bother to apply more lather for other passes. not enough time. so why use lather at all? it slows you down
Gil
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futur/EJ357/ gillette redtip
iridium ,blue IP
thater, shavemac.anchorset/tgn,sr3226
dirty bird
and a prayer
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rustyblade
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I’m new to the forum, but not to shaving. I started in 1956. I’d like to say a few words in defense of cartridge razors in general, and the Fusion in particular.
I switched to cartridges as soon as I became aware of the TRAC II sometime in the early 70’s, and since then I’ve adopted each new multiblade system as it came along. My sense has been that technology indeed has improved over the years - not so much in the closeness as in the comfort and safety of the shave. Each new model has delivered a decent shave with less friction and more ease.
I prep carefully with a routine that everyone here would find familiar – showering first, softening the beard with a pre-shave of some kind, lathering up quality consumables with a badger brush, and finishing up with an alcohol-free balm. I’ve never nicked myself with the Fusion, or experienced razor burn, in the three years I’ve been using it. As for ingrown hairs, I wouldn’t know one if I saw it. With four passes in various directions, I get a near-perfect, irritation-free shave every day. Since that is the goal of all wet shavers, I just want to put it on the record that it can be done with a Fusion.
That said, I’ve noticed many complaints from members of this forum and others about skin irritation with cartridges. I don’t know how that happens. Perhaps there is truth to the idea that our skin needs to “learn” how to react to a new razor. Or perhaps those shavers were using poor technique.
I switched to cartridges as soon as I became aware of the TRAC II sometime in the early 70’s, and since then I’ve adopted each new multiblade system as it came along. My sense has been that technology indeed has improved over the years - not so much in the closeness as in the comfort and safety of the shave. Each new model has delivered a decent shave with less friction and more ease.
I prep carefully with a routine that everyone here would find familiar – showering first, softening the beard with a pre-shave of some kind, lathering up quality consumables with a badger brush, and finishing up with an alcohol-free balm. I’ve never nicked myself with the Fusion, or experienced razor burn, in the three years I’ve been using it. As for ingrown hairs, I wouldn’t know one if I saw it. With four passes in various directions, I get a near-perfect, irritation-free shave every day. Since that is the goal of all wet shavers, I just want to put it on the record that it can be done with a Fusion.
That said, I’ve noticed many complaints from members of this forum and others about skin irritation with cartridges. I don’t know how that happens. Perhaps there is truth to the idea that our skin needs to “learn” how to react to a new razor. Or perhaps those shavers were using poor technique.
Poor technique? Nah. The bottom line is that once the first blade has passed over the skin, taking the shave cream with it, the four blades trailing it have no lubrication or cushion as they scrape the skin. Further, the lift and cut system means that hairs get lopped off below the skin's surface; thus, the ingrowns. I gave my skin 8 years to get used to two-blade disposables, and then 2 years to get used to a Fusion. Nothing doing. Sure, there are improvements to the shave I get with a cartridge razor now that my technique is better, but ultimately, it just doesn't work for me. I'm glad it works for you, as it does for some other members here, but with all the variation in skin types and shave experiences, I don't see how one can universalize his experience and say that shavers with different results are using poor technique or just aren't "used to" a particular razor.
Regards,
Regards,
Regards,
Tim
Why should we not meet, not always as dyspeptics, to tell our bad dreams, but sometimes as eupeptics, to congratulate each other on the ever-glorious morning? - Henry David Thoreau
Tim
Why should we not meet, not always as dyspeptics, to tell our bad dreams, but sometimes as eupeptics, to congratulate each other on the ever-glorious morning? - Henry David Thoreau
While your technique is no doubt correct, I have seen comments by others, indicating they didn't know how to use the Fusion. One man, for example, said he had to apply heavy pressure to the razor. But a light touch is the way to go. Perhaps some men go over the same patch of skin too many times, whereas I do it once with each pass. And so on.
You're right about the variation in skin types. My skin is older and settled down. That probably helps the shave a great deal.
You're right about the variation in skin types. My skin is older and settled down. That probably helps the shave a great deal.
Hi 9, if I may call you that, and welcome to SMF.95% wrote:I’m new to the forum, but not to shaving. I started in 1956. I’d like to say a few words in defense of cartridge razors in general, and the Fusion in particular.
I switched to cartridges as soon as I became aware of the TRAC II sometime in the early 70’s, and since then I’ve adopted each new multiblade system as it came along. My sense has been that technology indeed has improved over the years - not so much in the closeness as in the comfort and safety of the shave. Each new model has delivered a decent shave with less friction and more ease.
I prep carefully with a routine that everyone here would find familiar – showering first, softening the beard with a pre-shave of some kind, lathering up quality consumables with a badger brush, and finishing up with an alcohol-free balm. I’ve never nicked myself with the Fusion, or experienced razor burn, in the three years I’ve been using it. As for ingrown hairs, I wouldn’t know one if I saw it. With four passes in various directions, I get a near-perfect, irritation-free shave every day. Since that is the goal of all wet shavers, I just want to put it on the record that it can be done with a Fusion.
That said, I’ve noticed many complaints from members of this forum and others about skin irritation with cartridges. I don’t know how that happens. Perhaps there is truth to the idea that our skin needs to “learn” how to react to a new razor. Or perhaps those shavers were using poor technique.
I think it's a mistake to extrapolate your own experience to every other shaver.
There are some men for whom the Fusion or other multi blade systems simply do not work. Those same men (on SMF) are more than capable of getting stellar shaves with safety razors and straight razors.
There are others for whom the cartridge systems work perfectly, and many of our members use them regularly.
You'd think there'd be some sort of acronym we could use to express how practically everyone has different opinions and experiences where shaving and shaving equipment is concerned. Something about mileage, maybe
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Dominic
Give a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day.
Set a man on fire, he'll be toasty for the rest of his life.
Dominic
Thanks for the welcome, Ichabod. My name is Porter, and I'll start signing my posts with it.
I agree with everything you say. I'm aware that many men - indeed most men on this forum and B&B - are completely happy with their DE's and straights. I'm also aware that some have had bad experiences with cartridge razors, including the Fusion.
But if you read every post in this thread prior to mine, you will see that it's a Fusion-bashing party. In general, for every favorable comment about cartridges on the wet-shaving forums, there are five or ten that are negative. I doubt that is reflective of the entire universe of shavers, since these forums are sought out by users of traditional razors. So I posted a defense of the Fusion, not saying it's a superior system, but that it works very well for me. I also said that some shavers may not have the correct technique, which is no doubt the case - just as it is with inexperienced DE shavers.
-Porter
I agree with everything you say. I'm aware that many men - indeed most men on this forum and B&B - are completely happy with their DE's and straights. I'm also aware that some have had bad experiences with cartridge razors, including the Fusion.
But if you read every post in this thread prior to mine, you will see that it's a Fusion-bashing party. In general, for every favorable comment about cartridges on the wet-shaving forums, there are five or ten that are negative. I doubt that is reflective of the entire universe of shavers, since these forums are sought out by users of traditional razors. So I posted a defense of the Fusion, not saying it's a superior system, but that it works very well for me. I also said that some shavers may not have the correct technique, which is no doubt the case - just as it is with inexperienced DE shavers.
-Porter
I have to admit that the above post was more of a reflection of my own experience and personal opinion, mixed with an attempt at humour.IanM wrote:Hmmm.
<fakesneeze>abullsh*t</fakesneeze>
Ian
As has been rightly stated, it's horses for courses.
Ian
Those who design "Fool Proof" systems often underestimate the ability of fools.
Porter, I'm nitpicking, but to say that each cartridge system has delivered a good shave with less friction and more ease is to say that it's superior.
Additionally, while a 5:1 negative:positive ratio of comments about cartridges doesn't reflect the entire universe of shavers, it does represent the traditional wetshaving community, to which these forums are dedicated. And, that ratio is reflected in comments from guys I work with, my brother, my friends, and total strangers at the barbershop who think shaving is punishment for past sins, mostly because it's so uncomfortable. They've never tried a DE or straight. If they did, it might not change their minds. But certainly they're not happy with the ease of the shaves they're getting.
Also, if I may, one reason you might be detecting some hostility here is that your first three posts on a traditional wetshaving forum have been a defense of cartridge razors. There have been numerous representatives of Gillette, et al., who have come to the forums in hopes of converting members here back to cartridges, so naturally someone who we don't know posting - thus far, anyway - exclusively about cartridges is likely to raise some eyebrows. By all means, continue posting here; I don't mean to sound unwelcoming, just letting you know where some members might be coming from.
Regards,
Additionally, while a 5:1 negative:positive ratio of comments about cartridges doesn't reflect the entire universe of shavers, it does represent the traditional wetshaving community, to which these forums are dedicated. And, that ratio is reflected in comments from guys I work with, my brother, my friends, and total strangers at the barbershop who think shaving is punishment for past sins, mostly because it's so uncomfortable. They've never tried a DE or straight. If they did, it might not change their minds. But certainly they're not happy with the ease of the shaves they're getting.
Also, if I may, one reason you might be detecting some hostility here is that your first three posts on a traditional wetshaving forum have been a defense of cartridge razors. There have been numerous representatives of Gillette, et al., who have come to the forums in hopes of converting members here back to cartridges, so naturally someone who we don't know posting - thus far, anyway - exclusively about cartridges is likely to raise some eyebrows. By all means, continue posting here; I don't mean to sound unwelcoming, just letting you know where some members might be coming from.
Regards,
Regards,
Tim
Why should we not meet, not always as dyspeptics, to tell our bad dreams, but sometimes as eupeptics, to congratulate each other on the ever-glorious morning? - Henry David Thoreau
Tim
Why should we not meet, not always as dyspeptics, to tell our bad dreams, but sometimes as eupeptics, to congratulate each other on the ever-glorious morning? - Henry David Thoreau
Tim,
I suspect that the cause of their unhappiness lies as much with beard preparation and the shaving medium as with the razor. Many men simply wash the face quickly and lightly with warm water, then apply a smooth layer of foam from an aerosol can. They do two passes at most, very quickly, because the glop won't allow additional passes without razor burn. This, as well you know, is not a proper method for any shave, regardless of the razor.
Porter
I suspect that the cause of their unhappiness lies as much with beard preparation and the shaving medium as with the razor. Many men simply wash the face quickly and lightly with warm water, then apply a smooth layer of foam from an aerosol can. They do two passes at most, very quickly, because the glop won't allow additional passes without razor burn. This, as well you know, is not a proper method for any shave, regardless of the razor.
Porter